Rising from the Ashes of COVID with Holly Porter's Story

Did you ever meet someone whose life story was so compelling that it stopped you in your tracks? This is exactly what happened when Holly Porter joined us on our latest episode. Holly discusses her entrepreneurial journey, the golden and platinum rules, and the value of mentorship in shaping her path as a beacon of resilience. She shares candid reflections about managing a blended family while pioneering multiple businesses, providing a rich tapestry of lessons on personal growth and adaptability.

Holly recounts her battle with COVID-19 and the Delta variant, one of life's toughest tests. When she describes her near-death experience and the transformation that followed, the gravity of her story is palpable. Her indomitable spirit led her to embark on new business ventures while grappling with the long-term effects of the virus. In the wake of the pandemic, her experiences serve as a stark reminder of the profound changes it has caused in numerous lives, reshaping worldviews and personal relationships.

At the end of our conversation, Holly's infectious enthusiasm for life post-recovery shines through. During the interview, she discusses some of her most recent projects, including the software that she developed for retreats and the book that she has written, "Retreat Forward," which is expected to be her most impactful to date. Her desire to leave a meaningful legacy comes through as she describes her nonprofit's mission to support those suffering from long COVID. Despite adversity, her optimistic outlook encourages us to rise stronger, wiser, and more purposeful after confronting it head-on. Come explore human resilience and the beauty of reviving one's life.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:00

My guest today is Holly Porter. Holly is an international speaker and creator of 11 startup companies. Holly stands as a beacon of resilience, a 13-time best-selling author, seasoned philanthropist and true survivor. Her remarkable journey includes a 70-day battle with COVID-19. Emerging from this challenging experience with unwavering determination, she is not just a speaker but a living testament to the power of resilience. Passionate about wellness, she goes beyond her achievements in the business world. Holly leads a nonprofit dedicated to aiding the long COVID community Showcase some commitment to making a positive impact on people's lives. Her infectious joy embodies hope and her wisdom uplifts others, proving that healing is possible after the toughest of battles. Inspirational and influential, holly provides and inspires, continues to inspire countless lives along the way. Through her diverse accomplishments and commitment to philanthropy, she has become a source of motivation of those facing challenges, illustrating that one can overcome adversity with strength, positivity and a generous spirit. We welcome Holly to the show. Well, we welcome Holly to the podcast. How you doing, holly?

Speaker 2: 2:25

I'm great. How are you?

Speaker 1: 2:27

I'm fantastic. It's sunny here in Forty after being frigid for so long, so we're thankful that we can see the sun and not freeze it up.

Speaker 2: 2:36

Same.

Speaker 1: 2:38

Yeah, I like the weather. The East Coast can have the weather. Take it, we're passing it on. I'd love to ask my guest this question, to get a chance to know you a little better what's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Speaker 2: 2:52

The best. I've had a lot of really good advices because I've hired a lot of consultants and coaches in my life. Hmm, the best would probably be the golden rule and even above that, the platinum rule. So just treat to treat others how you want to be treated. I feel like my parents raised me that way and now I feel like I raised my kids that way, and hopefully that you know it. Just to me, what goes around doesn't always come back around, right, but that's how you can't live your life in that space. You've just got to do good, be good and hope for good.

Speaker 1: 3:31

Right, I like that. I love finding out about my guests because you know, along our way, in our journey, so many people come into our lives who either inspire us or spend time with us or invest in us. Who are some people that you want to just kind of maybe take a moment to thank, who have done that for you in your life?

Speaker 2: 3:50

Oh, wow, yeah, it means a lot to me when people are willing to invest. I call those mentors and my parents. Obviously I still my mom's passed away now, but I still have my dad and they. They just gave us a lot of very different skills. Each of them were so opposite, but I think I got a little piece of each of them and so I would say first of all them and then just, I've had a lot of mentors in business. I've had a lot of mentors in, you know, religious opportunities, different ways that I've served in Rotary International for a long, long time and watching people that are changing the world and serving just at a higher level lights me up, Like I want to be part of that, and so I'm always. I'm always on the move and when I like change like a lot of people don't, I love it. I think change is good. I think that's how we learn, that's how we grow and and conquer our fears. So I've just watched people like that over my life and follow their lead.

Speaker 1: 4:54

I like watching other people go through change. I don't want to go through it myself, but if you're going through it, that's fine.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Well, I don't love it all, but I do. I like just knowing there's going to be change. So if I'm going through something I don't like knowing that it's going to change, that that's good.

Speaker 1: 5:10

That's true. That part I agree with. I read your bio and you have such an interesting background, but just kind of walk us through your personal journey.

Speaker 2: 5:22

Oh gosh, starting when I'm old, you get, you get to pick.

Speaker 2: 5:27

Oh, wow. Well, just to sum up before really my life changed the last couple of years, I've always been an entrepreneur. I always had my own businesses. Even starting probably when I was 12 years old, my dad was an entrepreneur, my mom was more of a homemaker, but she also had her own businesses as well. Over the years and then after I got a high school, my big goal really was to get married and have kids and have three jobs, and nothing's changed Like that has all been. We have eight children between my husband and I and almost seven no, we do have 17 now grandkids, and that just.

Speaker 2: 6:04

But I always had like at least three or four companies at a time that we were doing things with, and it was kind of chaotic sometimes, especially when we had a house full of teenagers, and we've raised all our children. Now They've. We've been empty nesters for about 11 years. My baby's in the military and we, like, have lots of grandkids and they're all live with it about an hour apart besides a couple of them, and then a lot. So I had a salon in Spa for 20 years. That was probably my longest journey of my entrepreneurship, and I've been a real estate broker now for about 19. And so along came COVID and changed everyone's world. In fact, I can't think of one thing on the planet of the history that changed the whole world so quickly as COVID all at once and if you can think of something, I'd love for someone to challenge me on that. But that's my theory and I didn't think I would even get it.

Speaker 2: 7:05

I was really healthy and about a year and a half in so late fall of 2021, I went to a conference and came home with the Delta version and landed myself in. At first. I bought it at home for about a week before I intuitively woke up one morning and my husband. I gave it to him. We were both super sick, living in a fifth wheel waiting for a house to close, so people would just bring his food and leave it on the steps. We didn't talk to anybody.

Speaker 2: 7:33

We were just so, so sick and I knew I was in trouble, and so he took me to the hospital at the emergency room and they sent him home, even though he was really sick. He wasn't sick enough to keep. Of course, they didn't want to keep anyone. They didn't have to because they were so crowded at that time and they had me in an ICU room. If you've ever been to the emergency room, first of all, you know what takes hours. Within 30 minutes I had all three levels of oxygen they can give me on up to level 10 and was in the ICU in my own room. So I was bad like. My oxygen was like 63.

Speaker 2: 8:09

And that started the whole change of my whole life because my health. I don't know if ever we'll be back to where I was. I would love to say that, but I do suffer from long COVID. I was gifted so many auto-immunes and diagnosis from COVID that I was in a coma for quite a bit of time Some induced, some paralyzed and had lots of experiences there and that really just started a different kind of a journey for me. So I still have, you know, some of our companies that we work with, but I started two more basically in the last two years.

Speaker 1: 8:52

Wow. So let's stay there a little bit, because I had COVID myself. I joke. I went to a Lutherans for Life conference and came back and had COVID really bad, and I joke, I was like you tried to kill me. I'm at a life conference but yeah, it was weird too, because you can't, the doctors didn't know exactly what to do yet. So there was lots of confusion, lots of mixed messages, lots of who they take, who they don't, but there was this sense of isolation. So for you, when you went through that, you said it changed your life and you had a. We talked before we got on the show about your near-death experience. I'm kind of curious. You wanna walk us through what that was like for you, cause I mean, I'm sure we all watched the movies and we all have this view from the movies of what that was like and what people see, but just from someone who actually went through it, I'm kind of curious what your experience was.

Speaker 2: 9:50

Right? Well, I'll tell you I had. So I was sharing with you earlier that I didn't know. There were actually three different kinds. Maybe there's more, but I know of three. There's out-of-body experiences and then there's near-death experiences and then there are spiritual transformational experiences, and I didn't know that I had all of them. I had a whole bunch of out-of-body experiences and I always went back in time for those into, like what we call the pioneer days. I live in Utah, so my history is pioneer, and I would be in this little town not very big, that has a museum now of a house that ended up being my great, great great grandfather's home. Don't ask me why I was there. Like that's where I always went. So those weren't my best memories. Those were kind of creepy. There was a lot of weird things that happened there, but then I had those after.

Speaker 2: 10:45

So I was trying to do the timeline, since we're working on a book that's coming out this quarter and I was working on all like when was my near-death, when did everything happen? Because when you have the COVID fog it really messes with your brain. It is a brain disease and I realized between the first I was intubated two times and had a trach and had sepsis. So the in between the first trach and the second I'm not the sorry first intubation and the second one it happened. The near-death happened during During my first innovation, but I told them about it. When you know, they take it out. You could talk, not very well, but I could talk.

Speaker 2: 11:27

But my sister said just before they walked in, she said you Were like I have to point to the alphabet, and they had my hands tied to the bed by the way. So I wouldn't pull the ventilator out, not that I wanted to, but I couldn't smell. I lost all five senses. I couldn't smell, I couldn't taste. I had the ventilator in which took away 90% of my hearing for some reason, and then I couldn't touch and I couldn't see because I'm way past legally blind. So if I didn't have glasses or contacts, in which I didn't most of the time Until they realized, I really wanted to at least see. But you know, everybody had the yellow mask, the hats, the Capes on, so all I could see was people's eyes. That's how we communicated.

Speaker 2: 12:11

But they would untie my hand so I could point at the alphabet and that's how I would spell out things, and I barely even could lift my hand because I was so weak. I remember it was like a big deal when I could lift my phone and then it was a really big deal, which was way later, when I could lift my ipad so I could I had a case on, I could lift it up and watch movies and things. But she my sister said I spelled out. I started spelling out Um, kid, kid, and she was oh, your kids, do you need something for your kids? No, I kept going and she said when I realized you were spelling out, kidnapped. So what's interesting?

Speaker 2: 12:47

Now, looking back, it's been two years, there's still pieces coming together. I truly believe there's a lot more to the story that will be revealed to me when it's time, and that's really unlike me to not want to know so bad, but I really don't. I don't feel like I need to know that information. I feel like I saw a lot more Um, but she's I felt kidnapped. So in that particular experience she said I was freaking out.

Speaker 2: 13:13

She's like I'm looking around because my husband's home sick. He couldn't come see me for about three and a half weeks because he had cove it and at that time Thank heavens, when I had it they would allow one person every 24 hours and they knew they saved my life. My two twin sisters and then a daughter were there most of the time with me, but they would stay with me for 24 hour shifts because somehow they knew I wouldn't make it if they didn't and and I don't believe I would have, because early on they they just said do you need us to stay? And I, I did. I, and it's weird, I'm very independent, but I think it held the, the medical staff, more accountable because they were in the room all the time and they were so overworked. But I just think there was so, so much going on at that time that that, anyway, that was another. There were so many miracles. I could talk about miracles a lot with. I mean, let me just throw this one out there I never had medical insurance my whole life.

Speaker 2: 14:08

Two months before I got sick. I got it and my bill was a million dollars, holy cow. So I mean, I'm telling you there was so many miracles, I could just go on and on but having them, there was a miracle. And she said as soon as she realized I said kidnapped. Sorry, I'm jumping all over the story, but back to the story. The doctor walked in and they were gonna ex bait me and Take it off, and so soon as they took it off, I was able to tell her and jokingly, probably really shouldn't be jokingly, but jokingly I feel like everybody's job descriptions have to have some kind of training, right. And I look back and I think whoever took me because I don't ever remember seeing my guide that took me in this near-death experience, but I feel like they were like Learning the job or they were training or they were new right, because they took me and they weren't supposed to. That's the only I come up with and I think that's why the kidnap felt like I was kidnapped because I was taking Taken and I wasn't supposed to be taken but I would. I would see people in my room and she, I was having her like open closets and and I wasn't really that, I was scared, I think I I loved where I went, but I knew I was supposed to be here and so I think that fear of they kidnapped me. They shouldn't know. I think it was more like I was more mad. Why would you do that? And I think part of it. I might have been more mad that I had to come back, who knows? I mean, I'll know someday, because most people that you talk to that had those experiences. They'd rather stay now. Obviously, we don't get to talk to them because they didn't come back. Right, that's true, right, yeah, so that that was. That was basically how that first took took place at that point. But I was in. I mean, that's all another story. I was in a some beautiful place, but I will say Just a couple months ago I had a friend of mine who trained me in hypnosis.

Speaker 2: 16:06

I said there, since we're writing my book, I says there's some pieces to my near-death experience that are missing and I feel like I don't want to be out of integrity. I want to make sure you know I'm not figuring out, filling in gaps that aren't really true. Would you hypnotize me so that I can see if we can experience Whatever? I can't remember I didn't even know everything, I just felt like there was a few things, and that was an amazing experience because he took me to the before the near-death that I remembered, like it was where I was I call it the in-between, and there was a couple things that so solidified Some business things that I'm doing right now and some reasons why I did things in the last couple years that Were so amazing, because it was like, oh my gosh, subconsciously I knew that I made that decision and I didn't know why.

Speaker 2: 17:52

And now I know why and I feel like that's kind of like I got a little peek behind the curtain of what I saw that I didn't remember and so, like for me, it's exciting to know that there's. There's probably more of that and it'll be revealed when it's supposed to be, and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1: 18:12

So this is a question I'm curious to know what was your faith like before the near-death experience?

Speaker 2: 18:19

Well, I was always, I was raised very religious. Um, I would say I was religious and spiritual. I would say now I'm more spiritual. Does that answer that?

Speaker 1: 18:34

Cuz I know sometimes people who may not have been religious sometimes after that experience Become more, more religious or more spiritual. So I'm just kind of curious you know before, after the transformation, that you felt about your connection with God and just life in general?

Speaker 2: 18:53

yeah, I feel like it's more of a connection with God. That's spiritual and the Religious it's still there, but I feel like, yeah, definitely more spiritual now. I Didn't have the greatest two last two years like that. That's still coming together for me, like there's so many medical things that were happening with my body that I didn't have happening before, a lot of COVID fog, a lot of those kinds of things.

Speaker 2: 19:20

But it's you know, when I, when you come back and and you think that, like your children, for instance, you would think they'd be like, oh my gosh, my mom almost died. I mean there were many days I should have and you would think that they would like, want to be closer to you, or you know, and then they're adults and they have children in there. But I will say it was almost. It was the opposite for me. It was like, it was like I was just vibrating at a different level or something, and they, it was like I felt pushed away and that was hard.

Speaker 2: 19:55

I mean I, I cried I'm not a crier and I cried and cried and cried the last two years more than I ever want to have been over so many things and so many heartbreaks, and I'm a world changer and I know that and it's like Dang, how do you change the world if you can't even feel like you can change your backyard Right? A friend from political office before and same thing. It was like that. It's like that defeat when, when you know you can do so much good, but it's like they don't want it Right and so they're not your people. It's just learning how to step back and say, okay, I'm not gonna make everybody happy, everybody's not going to like change, everyone's going not going to like to move forward. They, they say it, but their actions speak louder than their words right.

Speaker 1: 20:41

So you say you've been dealing with some after COVID-19 stuff. So what's long COVID? I mean, I've heard people talk about long COVID but maybe for those who don't know what it is, maybe kind of explain to us what long COVID is.

Speaker 2: 20:54

Yeah, Well, it stinks. 200 Symptoms, so think about 200 symptoms medical symptoms that are linked to long COVID.

Speaker 2: 21:05

It's pretty much everything it. It affected every organ of people's bodies. No two people are affected like there's 65 million documented cases. Last I checked and you know there's a lot that aren't documented. Obviously, right where there's people that have it that we don't even know they had COVID, and there's never going to be people that we will not be able to serve, like there will never run out. There's just so many, so many, and so many have it. Okay.

Speaker 2: 21:38

First I want to say I was the extreme, I was a miracle that should not have walked out of the hospital. I know it. They they didn't live. People like me didn't live. You could have had COVID for three days, flew like symptoms and still have long COVID. So what it does is it take anything in your body there or not? There it catches on fire, and so, like I mean I could name off Probably six or seven different Diagnosis that I got that I didn't have before.

Speaker 2: 22:11

I don't want to be attached to them, I don't want to like focus my life on the sickness, I want to focus on my health, and so I always say better is better, and to me when people ask me what did you do to get better, because I knew how bad I was? Another miracles I got a hyperbaric I. I was Going to one and then a high school. Believe it or not, I'm old, so high school was a long time ago for me. A high school friends brother had a whole bunch who was selling for a really good price and we were just moving into our house and it just that was another miracle. It worked out where I could have it because I needed to be in it every day and I believe that saved my lungs, because pulmonary fibrosis was one of my diagnosis, which is a two to four year lifespan, and they're better. I'm not saying I'm great, but they're better and better is better.

Speaker 2: 23:03

So I think it's people are getting things going wrong in their body and they're not realizing that it's COVID related and I think if they realized that it's probably from having COVID that causes that and that is long COVID. So long COVID is all kinds of usually autoimmune. There's Usually more than one autoimmune. If you have one, usually you end up getting another. I'm not saying we can't cure Ourselves, we can't get better, because we can. I've seen people with long COVID Be at 100%. I'm super jealous because I feel like I do all the work and you know, with the stress I was under the last couple years with things going crazy, I think that probably deterred me from getting better faster, I believe you know, because stress definitely so. I think that that's one thing we have to watch. Stress just causes all kinds of crazy things.

Speaker 2: 24:04

But I think if you just find in your heart what is positive for you, what helps you move the needle, and do more of that, what makes you happy, do more of that, because can we just talk about the mental is. I mean, I have survivor's guilt and I never had anxiety, I never had really depression, I wasn't a depressed person, all of that, I had all of that. Out of those 200 symptoms, I could check off 75 easily that I've had. So, yeah, that's just anyway. So people just need to realize if you have some symptoms that you didn't have before but you did get COVID, even if you didn't test positive, that doesn't mean you didn't have it. If you had the symptoms, that possibly could be what it is. It's not like oh, all of a sudden I have a new label, I have lung COVID. Wow, wow.

Speaker 2: 24:57

Right, it's not like there's a big prize for you. Unfortunately there's not a big prize for you and unfortunately that's why. So when I am in my coma I was told to start this nonprofit. I would have never started a nonprofit for lung COVID. First of all, my motto is if it's not fun, I'm not doing it Long. Covid is not fun, this nonprofit is not fun. So trying to find people that, like I mean, there's not a lot of happy in it, right, and so we need to create that and the awareness is the first step is just letting people know, because doctors, they so many people think COVID doesn't, or lung COVID doesn't even exist. They don't know what it is, they don't understand it. We are their statistics and so like that's how they're getting their science and their data is off people like me and I'm volunteered for anything- so tell us about your nonprofit.

Speaker 2: 25:52

The nonprofit is called Adventure Bucket Wish Foundation, so it's wish, not list, and we created it to be able to give people experiences that they might not be able to have. There's a lot of people that are having to go on disability. It's extreme. I'm on some Facebook social media groups for lung COVID and breaks Like I almost don't like visiting them because it's depressing, and I think sometimes I'm just thinking when I'm feeling down, go read someone else's story and you hear their story and you're like, okay, I'm happy now, like I don't have, I'm not like them and a lot of it you got to remember is in the mind. It's so we created this just to help people mentally, help them physically, help them spiritually. Any way, people need to be served, and it's a new nonprofit and we need help and we need money. That's what makes it all happen, and so we did just start a podcast.

Speaker 2: 26:50

So a couple weeks of the month we interview people with stories and they don't have to be just like extreme, like mine, but I've got some really good ones. I've got already banked up ready to hit the hit the live button on amazing stories that are just like heartthrobbers. And then I do one week we do a caretaker, so somebody that has maybe lost somebody or they're taking care of somebody. So we get that other side of the story and then another week is in the medical, holistic, mental, all that side.

Speaker 2: 27:25

I will interview somebody and then if there's a fifth week in the month, it'll be on the science, just different science things, nothing political, nothing religious, even though I, you know, I mean my person that helped me is God. But for other people, whatever that is for them, I respect and it doesn't hold you back. But people can go in and volunteer people for a wish, an experience that we'll create for them. They can donate right on the website. So that's really our purpose is just to get that awareness out and bring that hope and bridge that gap, that that they lost.

Speaker 1: 28:04

So what is the name of the podcast? Where can people find it?

Speaker 2: 28:06

It's called hopeful horizons podcast.

Speaker 1: 28:11

And you mentioned a website. What's the website?

Speaker 2: 28:14

I'm hopeful horizons. Oh no, I'm sorry. No, the the website is adventure bucket wish. Okay, and so adventurebucketwishorg.

Speaker 1: 28:29

And it is a kind of a-.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Oh, excuse me.

Speaker 1: 28:32

No, you just have such a bubbly personality. For someone who dealt with COVID, it's good to see someone like yourself who is pouring into people who are at different phases and dealing with different things in our life, and it's just inspiring to know that people like you exist and you want to give back to the world in such a meaningful way.

Speaker 2: 28:55

Oh, thank you. Well, my other company that came I was working on just before I got sick. It's a SaaS company, so software for the retreat industry and there's nothing like it built. It's like an Airbnb the RBO for bookings, and then there's some for hosts, for events, and then there's some for education, and that's been two and a half years now in the making. But it was interesting because I was going to partner with somebody very big that you would all recognize the name if I said it, so I won't.

Speaker 2: 29:30

And while I was in my coma that was another thing I got. Basically schooled is what I call it. Not to do that. That. That wasn't my best avenue, and so I feel like it's taken me just a little bit longer, but for the right reasons, and it is also now. The nonprofit is the philanthropy piece to this company, so it's part of it, and so it'll be launching this quarter along with our book, and so first quarter we've had a lot of things going on, and the biggest challenge with long COVID is just managing your energy, because it just zaps you. If you've got the fatigue end of it, you can be fine one minute and you crash the next, and so putting on that I'm tough hat and just saying, hey, push through. But sometimes pushing through is a setback as well.

Speaker 1: 30:19

Right. So I'm curious. You mentioned this booking company, because I'm always looking for a booking. What's the name of that company?

Speaker 2: 30:27

So it is called a retreat R&R. You won't find it yet because it's not live. We have different phases we're bringing out, but phase one is just about ready so you will be able to book. But obviously we've got to get venues. So this will be for, like, corporate retreat, yoga retreat, any kind of a space where a group can go. It will be for them, which Airbnb and VRBO don't cater to. What we're catering to. They look at as a retreats more of a party, so they don't really like having. That's not their business model or they would have done it already. But yeah, people retreat leaders that book retreats. That's our main people that we work with and they're going to love it. It's going to be amazing.

Speaker 1: 31:15

That's great. So, because you have such a hopeful personality, I'm curious if you had a message of hope to give to people who are listening today, what would that be?

Speaker 2: 31:27

The biggest lesson I think I learned was to just love people where they're at, because we're always going to find people in life that we aren't going to agree with. And that was my big message in my NDE was with hearts. Really, it kept showing me, forming in this like fog, and forming hearts, and the hearts kept going to the light and I knew everything really just centers around love and I think that was a big lesson for me, because sometimes we can be a little judgmental, not just on ourselves but other people mostly, and I think if we just step back and realize everybody's got their own journey and everybody's got their own challenges. We don't always know what they are and we don't need to know what they are, we just need to love them where they are.

Speaker 1: 32:19

That's great. So in this season of your life, what are you most excited about?

Speaker 2: 32:27

Oh gosh. So I'm more excited about life right now just because two years ago I couldn't. I mean, I had all these startup companies. I always was a happy person. I loved mostly everything I was always doing in business or whatever activities, whatever.

Speaker 2: 32:47

But I couldn't really tell you like I was writing books and speaking and traveling and loving life. But I couldn't really tell you like, is this it? Is this my legacy? Is this my passion?

Speaker 2: 32:58

I couldn't answer that and now I know I got those answers in my NDE and I know that path was laid out very clear to me and I'm on it and it's taken me on a few detours and a little bit of a ride the last couple years and right now it's like bigger and better than ever and I see the end result and nothing is going to stop it. I mean I might get some more detours, but the right people are going to show up. They have too along the way and I just think, just knowing, like my book I have 13 books that I'm part of and this book is it for me it's like actually has a purpose and it has the stories all weaved into it and the whys and what fors and I'm going to be really proud of it, and so that's kind of what I have to look forward to. This is going to be a great year.

Speaker 1: 33:52

Once you kind of alluded to my, my favorite question what do you want your legacy to be?

Speaker 2: 34:00

Really I want it just to help as many people and serve as many people as I can. And I feel like with the combination of that retreat software I mean, it's a $93 billion industry. So there's no reason why we can't find so many people and fill so many gaps in business and pleasure and retreats for that matter, and just help as many people as we can. And I feel like with the nonprofit it's going to do the same. It's a limited. Avatar is people with long COVID, but with 65 million 65 million, sorry million people having it, we're not going to run out. So I think that's the latest to know that I'm a changemaker and that I care about people and I want them to succeed.

Speaker 1: 34:51

That's awesome. Is there anything I haven't asked you that I should have asked you?

Speaker 2: 34:57

I don't know. I probably told you way more than I wanted to know. No, you did a great job. You're a good question, ask her.

Speaker 1: 35:10

I appreciate that. So what can people find you? The best place to find you and what you're doing, and connect with you on social media.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Well, my Facebook's just it's under it's actually under Holly and Porter, and then my website is holliportercom, and then we've got the adventurebucketwishorg as well, and so all those will have connections. If you get to any of them, they should all connect you to the right places, if we did it right.

Speaker 1: 35:47

Good. So do you have a title for the book that's coming out, or is that still in works?

Speaker 2: 35:52

Hmm, Do I want to say okay, I have a working title. Let's not put the stamp of approval 100%. Okay, let me think, Hang on a minute. It's called Retreat Forward. And then my journey from NDE to CEO. Wow, cool, do you like it? I do like it. That's our working title. Yeah, I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 1: 36:18

Yeah, when I wrote my book, my title changed a couple of times too. Yeah, one just stuck, it was okay, that's it.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Yeah Well, I don't know if a lot of people understand what an NDE is, but that really is what changed everything for me, and I think it's. We did the story and so yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Well, holly, blessings on the work you're doing and the business you're starting, especially the nonprofit, to be there for people along COVID, and just keep that bubbly personality that you have and spirit of hopefulness as you continue to pour into people's lives.

Speaker 2: 36:54

Well, thank you and thanks for what you're doing. It makes a difference.

Speaker 1: 36:58

Thank you.